The Cathars Will be With You Always


We have an outbreak of the Albigensian heresy  in the comments that follow On Branding Romantic Christians the Enemies of Christianity.  Thetruthnotdoctrine is arguing for the Virgin Rebirth, but the spirit of Arnauld Amalric is alive at the Orthosphere.

“For all have sinned – In Adam, and in their own persons; by a sinful nature, sinful tempers, and sinful actions.” Romans 3:23

51 thoughts on “The Cathars Will be With You Always

      • The Truth is never insulting unless it is treated by the hearer as insulting, which is just too bad. The Pharisees come immediately to mind.

        Oh and offence can only be taken, not given.

        And in what way did I bear false witness? You better have some proof of it.

      • A lie is a falsehood told with an intention to deceive. Even if what Alan said was false, which it wasn’t, there are no grounds to suppose he intended to deceive. Calling him a “liar” was therefore false witness (and libel). Your bottomless stack of Get Our of Jail Free Cards really makes you a credit to the faith.

      • A lie is not an error. I don’t think you are lying, for instance, and would not call you a liar. I would say you err.

      • If you said it, it would be a lie, since you believe it is false. If a Roman Catholic says it, it is not a lie. But I keep forgetting, you cannot lie because you have a bottomless stack of Get Out of Jail Free cards. Do your friends, family and co-workers know you have a bottomless stack of Get Out of Jail Free Cards? I can’t say I would like to be mixed up with a fellow who thought his sin was no sin. I’d call him a sociopath.

      • “If a Roman Catholic says it, it is not a lie.” Nonsense, anything that is not true, is a lie.

        I don’t need a stack of ‘get out of jail free cards’, only the guilty and condemned need those, that is, those living under The Law. Your Pharisaical credentials showing, are they? They were very religious too.

      • I’ll say it again: Anything not true, is a lie.

        In answer to your silly pack of cards:

        Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

      • Why should I believe Peter, or John for that matter. They were, as your true master put it, “Beyond Good and Evil.”

      • 1) Well either you believe The Holy Scriptures (not bibles) are True, that is, The Holy Word of Yah (God), or not.

        2) Either you believe that Peter, John and Paul were Yashua Messiah’s messengers, who didn’t lie, or you don’t.

        3) If you don’t, to both of these statements, then there is no point to any further discussion, for I then know that I am not dealing with a true believer and I am wasting my time.

      • My position is that Peter, Paul and John did not lie. Your position is that they could not lie. Big difference. Especially big considering that, to you, “could not lie” means would not have lied (committed a sin) if they told a fib.

      • I have no position, only philosophical, intellectual creatures of meaningless religion have positions.

        The Truth is not a position.

        Peter, John and Paul as born of God messengers of Yashua Messiah could not lie, and did not lie.

      • I am not mistaking you for a philosophical, intellectual creature. You are something quite other than that. That’s alright. The world has more philosophical, intellectual creatures than it needs. Also more ranting sectarian zealots.

      • Oh yes, I often RANT unashamedly, and I am EXTREMELY ZEALOUS for The Truth, and the Church of Yah (God) was most definitely referred to as a SECT in the Holy Scriptures!

        Acts 28:22 (KJV) But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this SECT, we know that every where it is spoken against. (All-caps emphasis mine)

      • Why do you use this weird nomenclature? Do you suppose the triune God is monolingual? Or do you invoke him like an evil spirit with magic words? What is the point of using the weird and affected “Yashua Messiah” when Jesus Christ means the same thing? Why call God “Yah”? Are you a Jew? Are you a wizard?

      • What triune god!? Exposing the Trinity Lie!:

        I use Yashua Messiah so that it separates me from all the millions of deluded wretches that think that THEY have accepted a ‘Jesus’ as their saviour, or believe that salvation is through their RELIGION, or believe that Miriam (Mary) intercedes with Yah on their behalf, when she is dead in her grave.

        I call them Yah, for that is their correct name. God, or better, ‘gawd’ is blasphemous, as Satan is the only god/gawd.

        When the masses of lost souls use: ‘OMG – Oh my gawd’ they are only acknowledging that Satan is their god, mostly in ignorance.

        No, I am not a Serpent Seed Canaanite Jew, and certainly not a wizard. Wizards are demonic.

      • JM, TTND seems to have a limitless supply of get out of jail free cards because he has his own idiosyncratic version of everything: sacred scripture, terms, theology, and so forth. So, anything that has characterized Christianity universally and from the beginning – everything orthodox, i.e., everything Chalcedonian – simply has no traction on him.

        If All Caps are an index of monomania, so is a weird nomenclature. Thordaddy manifested both those tells, as well as that other tell, idiosyncratic syntax. But Thordaddy is also a reasonable soul, with a powerful, pliant mind, a friendly heart, and a charitable intent; so, one can converse with him: he can listen, he can when pushed express himself in print intelligibly, and all parties to the conversation can learn from it.

        TTND is obviously pretty smart – it takes a lot of candlepower to come up with idiosyncratic interpretations of pretty much everything – but seems absolutely set in his ways, which he has so arranged as to make them unassailable: he’s the only one out there who knows the Truth, while everyone else is stuck in the coils of mere doctrine. TTND is in a synagogue of one.

        It must be lonely. Perhaps that is why he comports himself in print so angrily.

        Or, perhaps the anger came first. Who knows? God knows. God bless the poor man.

  1. I’m working at my computer and approved most of his comments as they came in. Anyone who is inclined to wrangle with him can do it this dedicated thread. So long as it remains reasonably civil and sane, my plan was to let the fire burn itself out.

  2. Why you pushing that lying from the pits of hell fake apocryphal feminist whore worship lgbtq+ faggot jew trash atheist ayory of the Pericope Adulterae? Your meme is trash for glorifying Satan’s gospel of “only the sinless can punish sin on earth.” This is what destroyed the West and you’ll notice it could not start until English became the major language and spread a standardized biblical text (text was never standardized so much in Latin) that include’s Satan’s fanfiction story.

  3. I wouldn’t bother with this mo…cultist much; as Kristor said in a previous thread, the tendency to All-Caps is a tell-tell,… every single time. Been there, done that, many times.

    BTW, thetruthnotdoctrine, I was raised in a Oneness Pentecostal church, so I know exactly where you’re coming from (Acts 2: 38, etc, etc.) and where you err. Sorry, dude, you’re wrong. End of story. All sin and come short of the glory of God. That’s it, that’s all. You’re a sinner like the rest of us. Repent!

  4. I have a suspicion that “thetruthnotdoctrine” is pulling your leg with all this, but it’s admittedly hard to tell on the internet when someone is serious.

    • @Bonald I can assure you that I am deadly serious. The subject of outer darkness, where ALL fake RELIGIOUS ‘Christians’ will end up, unless they repent, is no joking matter!

      Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into The Kingdom of God; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

      • I would have thought that is self explanatory. They will prophesy in the name of a ‘Jesus’ that is not Yashua Messiah (Jesus Christ) at all.

        No doubt, this will a ‘Jesus’ that THEY ACCEPTED as their saviour.

  5. I’ve thought about that, but he has does have the tone and persistence of a true religious crank. I do give him credit for brevity. And doggedness. I tend to give up the minute a person yawns or checks their watch.


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