Talk, talk, talk

Courtesy of the USCCB:

The Committee on Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) reasserted their commitment to dialogue with other religions and Muslims in particular in a statement developed between October 2013 and its release August 19. The committee, which is chaired by Auxiliary Bishop Denis J. Madden of Baltimore, listed tensions between Christians in Muslims in different parts of the world as a primary reason for reaffirming the need for dialogue.

“We understand the confusion and deep emotions stirred by real and apparent acts of aggression and discrimination by certain Muslims against non-Muslims, often against Christians abroad,” the bishops wrote. “Along with many of our fellow Catholics and the many Muslims who themselves are targeted by radicals, we wish to voice our sadness, indeed our outrage, over the random and sometimes systematic acts of violence and harassment—acts that for both Christians and Muslims threaten to disrupt the harmony that binds us together in mutual support, recognition, and friendship.”

And that harmony, the fruit of 20 years of interreligious dialogue which must not be disrupted no matter what, has given us (they claim with wonder) “documents on education, marriage and revelation” — documents which no one outside the USCCB Committee on Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs has read (I’d certainly never even heard of them until just now) and which in no way impact the lives of ordinary Catholics or Muslims. It’s theological realpolitik, but worse than that, it’s talk talk talk, talk as an end in itself, talk with no visible fruits, talk in the interests of which the speaking of actual truths (including the charitable correction of errors and forceful denunciation of outrageous abuses) is far too often made to defer. It’s mere chatter and noise to fill the silence and desolation created by the modernist’s much-vaunted doubt. One begins to wonder if this isn’t all just a makework scheme to enrich otherwise-unemployable Georgetown graduates.

Oh, and then there was this:

The bishops expressed sadness over “deliberate rejection” of the call to engage in dialogue with Muslims by some Christians, Catholic and not. They noted that the call to respect and dialogue comes from the Second Vatican Council’s Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions (Nostra Aetate) and has been reaffirmed by subsequent popes.

Why are people still talking about Vatican II? Who cares what it had to say? The ecumenical dynamic which it inaugurated was a product of the facile optimism of the 1960’s, hardly applicable or relevant to the brutal and dark postmodern world of 2014.

Get with the times, guys!

13 thoughts on “Talk, talk, talk

  1. … it’s talk talk talk, talk as an end in itself, talk with no visible fruits, talk in the interests of which the speaking of actual truths . . .is far too often made to defer.

    It is a rite of passage, the first time you think to yourself, “My goodness, this fool actually enjoys going to meetings and running his mouth.”

  2. Hi Proph,

    I’m sorry about us posting back to back like that. I’d been working on my post for over an hour and forgot to check to see if anything new had arrived before clicking “publish”. Hopefully nobody just looks to see what’s at the top of the page.

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  4. How can we “dialogue” with people who have no desire to engage in it? Where are the masses of Muslim faithful denouncing these horrible acts, and now what has happened in England where the media is trying to call a distinct group of Pakistani Muslim rapists and pimps “Asians”? The problem is that a Muslim faithful to his religion can literally lie to a man who is not of his religion. How does one dialogue with someone whose religion allows him to engage in dialogue in bad faith? How many innocent people have to be raped, tortured, murdered or sold into sexual slavery until leaders understand this is an extremely serious situation that requires the strength of a Crusading Pope and not mere cringing, happy-happy words?

    • Is that so? I’ve long been something of a fan of the Islamic Republic. Unfortunately, I suspect the liberal infection of that country has gone too far for it to be turned around. Americans tend to think of Iranians as religious nuts, but Iranian society is far on the secular end of Muslim world. (On the other hand, this does mean it’s the one part of the Muslim world where there can be genuine conservatives who recognize liberalism rather than Christianity as being the main threat.)

  5. Has anyone seen a blistering denunciation of the so-called “caliphate” by a serious Muslim in a position of religious authority? Claiming to be a “caliph” is, after all, claiming to be a successor to Mohamed–rather like claiming to be the Pope and Holy Roman Emperor rolled into one. If a crazed bunch of blood-thirsty Christians began calling themselves the “Holy Roman Empire” and posting videotapes of decapitations on YouTube, I trust the the Pope, the Patriarch of Constantinople, and the ghost of Billy Graham would denounce them as antichrists. In my casual reading the only stringent denunciations of Muslim depredations from within Islam seem to come from apostates and liberals. I’m waiting to hear it from one of those grim ayatollahs or stern imams.

    Presumably the USCCB is in dialogue with people who have some claim to speak for the Ummah. They should demand that the next step in the dialogue is for these people, or their masters, to issue a fatwa against persecution of Christians. I see that a cleric in India has done this, but I want to hear it from someone really big sitting in the eye of the storm.

  6. “Why are people still talking about Vatican II? Who cares what it had to say? … a product of the facile optimism of the 1960’s, hardly applicable or relevant to the brutal and dark postmodern world of 2014.”

    Any other of the 21 or so Ecumenical Councils of the Roman Catholic Church we should ignore? We are so much further removed in time from the other councils, each of which was influenced by the circumstances of its time.

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